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Steps_Descending · May 22, 2010, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

PI will definitely be nerfed, but when? And what were the test crewe and the designers thinking?

I'm guessing soon enough, which means in less than 6 mounth/probably a mounth.
They probably are keeping an eye on mesmers for an emergency patch.

majoho · May 22, 2010, 10:22 PM // 22:22

I don't really see how it's that OP'ed.

In PvP it's 3 secs as far as I can tell and in PvE it's 4 secs, however you will have to make a "compromise build" if you want the full 4 seconds.

Again that's just my initial impression feel free to tell me why I might be wrong.

prism2525 · May 23, 2010, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Someone was drinking too much tequila while writing the updates. I mean look:

Mesmer armor :60
IW bonus max: 40
insignia: 10
shield: 8
TOTAL: 118

I may be missing something here but still... wow

Willow O Whisper · May 23, 2010, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by prism2525

Someone was drinking too much tequila while writing the updates. I mean look:

Mesmer armor :60
IW bonus max: 40
insignia: 10
shield: 8
TOTAL: 118

I may be missing something here but still... wow

Well if you want to sacrifice your elite slot on it... Honestly the only self heal you've got is illusion of weakness... No way it could take the warriors spot or the likes... also this is pve only an area that the mesmer has been lacking in for about...... 5 years.. I think it's fair enough..
+ whitout an ias the iw build (your calculations are done with a full illusion bar nothing else) The damage compared to other builds is laughable...

It's still fun though

R_Frost · May 23, 2010, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by prism2525

Someone was drinking too much tequila while writing the updates. I mean look:

Mesmer armor :60
IW bonus max: 40
insignia: 10
shield: 8
TOTAL: 118

I may be missing something here but still... wow

the reason behind my earlier post in this thread. we know shield and weapon armor bonus's dont count towards armor stacking cap, but where does the IW armor bonus fit in? does that count or not? does the armor stacking cap figure in after the bonus for how many illusion skills u have? if so could you imagine the possibilities of a profession like the Ele abusing this? ive come up with an E/Me build that could have 178 armor if the illusion skill armor bonus doesnt count toward the armor cap.

Black Metal · May 23, 2010, 01:37 AM // 01:37

good analysis Willow -- it's a balanced elite, since it funnels the entire build into Illusion skills, which means no PvE skills which itself is a disadvantage. And Illusion is a generally a pretty weak attribute, since you'll be spending much of your time recasting, and not attacking. Maybe the best use of IW is to go tank, cast spells as a front liner. And using a weapon means you won't getting the best casting mods, and won't have that much energy. I say it's balanced.

placebo overdose · May 23, 2010, 02:16 AM // 02:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism2525

Someone was drinking too much tequila while writing the updates. I mean look:

Mesmer armor :60
IW bonus max: 40
insignia: 10
shield: 8
TOTAL: 118

I may be missing something here but still... wow

in reality that is a mediocre tank that is susceptible ench removal

Magragoc · May 23, 2010, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by R_Frost

the reason behind my earlier post in this thread. we know shield and weapon armor bonus's dont count towards armor stacking cap, but where does the IW armor bonus fit in? does that count or not? does the armor stacking cap figure in after the bonus for how many illusion skills u have? if so could you imagine the possibilities of a profession like the Ele abusing this? ive come up with an E/Me build that could have 178 armor if the illusion skill armor bonus doesnt count toward the armor cap.

To quote myself from earlier answering your question:

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A single skill can bypass the cap, so yes; you can bring all Illusion skills and have +40 armor. Insignias and Shields all stack as well.

untitled2005 · May 23, 2010, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by lemming

Update - Friday, May 21, 2010

* Improved the skill set used by Mindblade Specters in the Underworld.

Now Mindblades have leech signet, the days of chaos plain ecto farm are over

Dark Paladin X · May 23, 2010, 03:27 AM // 03:27

I'm guessing they intentionally nerfed Sliver Armor and disguise it as a "bug fix" to highly discourage solo farming.

I'm guessing Spiteful Spirit, the W/N raptor build, and vaetirr farming is next.

They have a clear message now, ArenaNet is against solo farming in all forms.

Great, how am I suppose to farm the Scar Eater now? or Woe Spreader (staves for Discordway heroes)? Oh wait, the later is IMPOSSIBLE to farm after that SF nerf.

Figures.

DigitalFear · May 23, 2010, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

I'm guessing they intentionally nerfed Sliver Armor and disguise it as a "bug fix" to highly discourage solo farming.

I'm guessing Spiteful Spirit, the W/N raptor build, and vaetirr farming is next.

They have a clear message now, ArenaNet is against solo farming in all forms.

Great, how am I suppose to farm the Scar Eater now? or Woe Spreader (staves for Discordway heroes)? Oh wait, the later is IMPOSSIBLE to farm after that SF nerf.

Figures.

Are you still mad about the 25/2 nerf? Geez...

Dark Paladin X · May 23, 2010, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by DigitalFear

Are you still mad about the 25/2 nerf? Geez...

For the most part, yes. But I am using that Necro SV build for boss farming now, but only limited to the ones at the Kurzick areas.

I still really can't find a build that serves as an alternative to farming the Woe Spreader (i need to farm three more of these staffs for my PvE warrior that will replace my PvP only warrior for discordway builds). It's really impossible to farm that boss ever since the SF nerf considering 1) they have interrupts, and 2) they have nightmare weapon which can kill the 55 SV necro in one hit.

Black Metal · May 23, 2010, 03:44 AM // 03:44

you can always flag heroes and spirit spam

MagmaRed · May 23, 2010, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Dervish and Assassin are able to survive as melee classes with 70 AL armor. The change to IW can allow the Mesmer to have better armor than either of those 2 classes and still make use of and IAS and/or PvE skills. Toss in something like Blessed Insignias for +10 armor, and take IW, IoW, both Visages, and IAS (Flurry), and AoE attack (Cyclone Axe) and 2 PvE skills are you still have 60+20+10=90 AL, and that is without a shield. Not saying it is the best option, but the ability to stand in melee range is now a better option than it has ever been for a Mesmer.

Dark Paladin X · May 23, 2010, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Black Metal

you can always flag heroes and spirit spam

You do know that h/h affect drop rates even when you flag them.

Anyways, I did try SoS spamming Woe Spreader. It is a pain in the ass as the Naga keep killing off the spirits. I was thinking of the 55 SV necro, but interrupts and Nightmare Weapon (which is capable of killing the 55 monk/necro in one shot) are something to consider.

Again, I'm really out of options. Now that sliver armor is nerfed, there is no way I can farm the Scar Eater (I normally farm his staff for my monk heroes BTW).

Again, when it comes to farming, I prefer doing it solo without h/h and in HM (since the chances of getting a green weapon increases from my experience).

reaper with no name · May 23, 2010, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by Nerel

Most of the time when Anet delivers an update, they manage to break something, introduce a bug or just plain get it wrong... you don't want them to break the login screen now do you?

Yes, I was being facetious.

They did break the login screen. As if having to work on double faction weekend wasn't bad enough, now they won't even let me log in?

R_Frost · May 23, 2010, 05:26 AM // 05:26

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Dervish and Assassin are able to survive as melee classes with 70 AL armor. The change to IW can allow the Mesmer to have better armor than either of those 2 classes and still make use of and IAS and/or PvE skills. Toss in something like Blessed Insignias for +10 armor, and take IW, IoW, both Visages, and IAS (Flurry), and AoE attack (Cyclone Axe) and 2 PvE skills are you still have 60+20+10=90 AL, and that is without a shield. Not saying it is the best option, but the ability to stand in melee range is now a better option than it has ever been for a Mesmer.

dump flurry, add in the PvE skills, drunken master for increased movement and attack speed and great dwarf armor for the +24 armor and +60 health, bringing you to 114 armor then add shield for 8 more to 122 armor. oh and if anyone hasnt noticed yet, "By Ural's Hammer" does add more damage to IW. i tested that last night when i did the quest to get great dwarf armor. with 15 in illusion i was doing the base 40 damage for IW and Ural's hammer brought the damage to 50

Magragoc · May 23, 2010, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by R_Frost

dump flurry, add in the PvE skills, drunken master for increased movement and attack speed and great dwarf armor for the +24 armor and +60 health, bringing you to 114 armor then add shield for 8 more to 122 armor. oh and if anyone hasnt noticed yet, "By Ural's Hammer" does add more damage to IW. i tested that last night when i did the quest to get great dwarf armor. with 15 in illusion i was doing the base 40 damage for IW and Ural's hammer brought the damage to 50

Great Dwarf Armor doesn't stack with the armor from Illusionary Weaponry.

Voodoo Rage · May 23, 2010, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

You do know that h/h affect drop rates even when you flag them.

No it doesn't. If they are greyed on the radar, it's the same as a solo farm when it comes to a weapon drop.

Aren't you the same guy who posted:

"Attention everyone! Raptor Farming, Nicholas the Traveler farming, and Boss Farming in HM is now officially impossible.

You can no longer farm:

* Woe Spreader (for your discordway heroes, luckily I manage to get the number of woe spreaders i needed prior to the nerf)
* Raptors
* Scar Eater
* Jayne Forestlight
* Tomton Spiriteater
* Shreader Sharptongue
* Korshek the Immolated
* Eshim Mindclouder
* Birneh Skybringer
* Chor the Bladed
* ecto farming (although that was nerfed earlier with the Skeletons of Dhumm)
* Shakor Firespear
* Jishol Darksong
* (rare) material farming (particularly feathers)
* elite tomes
* any items for Nicholas the Traveler

Good luck trying to find good weapons for your heroes or trying new builds."

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/u...0428096p3.html

Isn't the hyperbole whining routine getting a bit old?

Kumu Honua · May 23, 2010, 06:03 AM // 06:03

Nerf mesmers.

Nuff said.